Someone posted/asked about this stuff a few months back. Sounds interesting, but ultimately completely pointless if your engine is intact and filled with good quality coolant (in my opinion, ofcourse)
It cost me about £20 to change out coolant with castrol pre mixed, and about 20 mins in total drain and bleed the bike, so TBH I will stick with changing it every two years. I am sure it is a great product and if it was on the shelf and the same price I might give it a blast but wouldnt go searching for it Also very pricey as you have to flush with prep at about £25 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EVANS-Wat...ke-Motor-Cross-Quads-/261150389952#vi-content then add the cooolant at £60 !! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EVANS-Pow...A%2BFICS%2BUFI&otn=21&pmod=230862533213&ps=54 You have to keep the bike a few years to see the rewards
I posted about this after it was on wheeler dealers. Would be ideal in my kit car as it always get hot
Ive not run this before but have some on order and will give it a go...anyone else? I know CC ran it but as I said here it has..... quote:- Yes and before I trash Colin's thread on the pros and cons I will say on paper it's ace but real world feedback for race bikes is hard to find as rules don't allow it but Honda Dakar bikes are running it so does David Knight KTM enduro team, a good few others on here and elsewhere have run it and now I have some on order for some testing.. even Spalders has some sat on the side to try on his Ducati project.. post any questions on the other waterless thread and we shall debate it...lol
Sounds like a good idea to use this on a bike that tends to run hot then. Probably a good idea to run this in the SP1 as it tends to roast the nuts off you on a hot day.
Does not make it run cooler as such but never boils, thus no pressure so less stress on internal components, keeps a more consistent temp, and many other factors they list on the site and on racebikebitz.co.uk Ive a few motors to test it out on, not that it needs any testing that is after all the Dakars a fair test after all...lol And David knight is another one who like to thrash an enduro bike. The main pro points are last a lifetime, no corrosion on internals, no pressure on system that's what I'm interested in. In tests it seems that it runs a few deg hotter BUT never "more" so in effect keeps a more consistent engine temp that never over heats. http://www.evanscoolants.co.uk/power-cool-180-for-track-trail-bikes.html
if I was going to get this then I would use Merlin based at Castle combe. Used them a klot for stuff over the years and only 20 mins away from me Evans Power Cool 180° Waterless Coolant 5 Litres from Merlin Motorsport Evans Waterless Coolant Fluid from Merlin Motorsport And I wonder if the bike and car stuff differ? if it does not then get the cheaper stuff
My post is mainly through the lack of info on the net, tbh the only real down sides to it on paper is the track, no race classes will allow it end of, track days no problem in road trim, they could question full track spec bikes I guess...but again no real yes or no answers. Never seen any testing of fluids on standard track days. For road users the pros are many, the stuff never boils so if caught in hot country's or traffic you can rest your engine will not boil up, blades run very hot so some good benefits to be had IMO. Liquid coolants such as this also offer lubrication benefits to your water pump as well...so as I say the pros are all good, however I wish I could find some practical real world feedback but that's always the case with products that often work well, you simply don't hear anything.
Good week for Evans coolant in the Dakar.. Im near set to convert the Blade and then have a play with some in a Supermoto.. Just need another 2L of Prep to fully fill the Honda and then drain for PowerCool 180 Will be nice to fill and forget
I still think its pricey ! and im not one to normally bring that into the conversation ! The problem I have now is Arthur thinks its good, and is a god in my eyes so it must be bloody good and maybe worth the extra £'s
I talked to Evans today and also chatted to my mate in Ducati, also had a customer in who is into his MX stuff etc etc so we were all into the convo of waterless coolants (well they may have not been but I was..lol.. no kidding..I hope) But the main question is "what are the downsides" well only two imo 1) the price and 2) track users. Track users are a big no no as the rules say NO but other than this only the price. However as I said to my mate maybe this is a product for those of us who care for a motor but never get around to changing coolants on time...or in some peoples case just don't EVER change it! For me I think I am sold so will be running it in my tarts handbag fireblade and DEFO will be using it in my SuperMoto and MX bikes as they only take a 1L or so of coolant so its a must IMO, for my 2 stroke customers this product is a no brainier!!!! They suffer from slow speed cooling problems when used enduro wise and for road users that get stuck in traffic on smokers again this could be the END of boil over problems! From just looking at the product it's NOTHING like some of the reviews by forum members on other sites who say is VERY thick etc etc, seems to me its much like any other properly mixed coolants so I am keen to get the conversion done. Don't forget the prep fluid as you say Jamie adds to the cost but you can reuse it to prep other motors, some people have been flushing the system with only 2L of prep this is WRONG and you need to cost a full amount of Prep to fill, bleed and run the system as normal before you drain it and then refill with PowerCool new builds don't need Prep.. It seems like a long job but think of it as a coolant flush, removing grime etc from the system. Don't forget once this is done long term owners should never need to redo this task again unless changing hoses or checking levels as part of a service this is where you get your money back long term. I don't know what more to add other than as soon as the weather warms up I will be giving it a go, I can expect the temp to rise a few degs but be more consistent and the system will be running at 0psi! An all new thing for me.. don't forget all PSI in your water system does is increase boiling point and put pressure on all the working parts of the motor, mechanical seals, gaskets and casings etc etc...
If Arthur does it, we shouldn't worry about it and save money to convert our Blades......next on my list...........
As Dev' says ill be awaiting your conclusions on this test Art. My bike spends a lot of time in traffic running at 'fan' temperature so this could well be a mod in waiting. I admit I was interested in Matt's earlier thread about it but am not a lover of website's own testimonials. Watch this space then...
I know what you mean and likewise that's what I have been looking for "advert" free tried and tested comments... Your bike would still run at the same temps but NEVER boil over that's the key point.. Tbh no one should notice any change other than you don't ever need to change it, it cant boil over, you have 0 corrosion problems long term, no more (dribble) from new blades as they like to trickle some fluids from the cap and so on... And people I FULLY agree its expensive!!! But you have to think long term.... On paper this stuff is the balls, hell I even asked Spalders what he thinks and like me he loves the idea and has some sat on the side for his Ducati project bike... Evens said "its no problem for the FireBlade"
Group discount via ART I'm up for getting some for the bike and kit car. Bike, they will never check on track and have never in the past. i'm not racing.
Haha, yeah place your bets ladies and gents...lol Track days no problem, racing.....nope, Motorcross no problem race or not... and so on... I only say as all the yanks are: yeah but if your racing...... FOR GOD SAKES YANKS READ THE QUESTION..... then they say: yeah but if you spring a leak it will cost you! YEAH BUT IF I GET A HOLE IN MY 1500.00 RAD STICK THE 60 NOTES ON THE BILL.....
Been on the case today, fitted all the hoses (sure last time I did samco rr7 set they were moulded Y sections but must be dreaming, bit of a swizz for rr7 owners but my guess is the Y sections are too tight for moulded hoses unlike rr8 onwards one of the big flow points of samco hose kits) anyway drained the system as best as you can with my fluid extractor just to suck up any old coolant even on this low mile motor you can see some signs of water corrosion so it's put me in the mood to give the a evans coolant a go (this is a standard blade motor) filled up the system with the Prep fluid and then went to add some more from another 2l bottle....hang on this ones clear? so read the label of the first bottle and it says Coolant! darn they sent me the wrong one but as the labels are the same with the 2l bottles I had overlooked it! SO drained the system again and filled with the 2l of Prep, now just have to wait for the correct bottle of flush/prep on Friday.... otherwise it's looking good. As I said before you need enough Prep to fill and run the bike as normal so more is required.....bummer.... still no rush a foot of snow outside...
