PC3 or PCV - any experience?

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  1. Chillipepper83

    Chillipepper83 Active Member

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    Looking at making my RR7 a little smoother with an akrapovic end end can on, thinking of getting a PC... Worth doing IYO guys?
     
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    always worth doing and getting a proper map for your bike.especially if changing anything.
     
  3. phantom

    phantom Active Member

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    yes, had one on my RR5 and on my RR9
    well worth doing...and worth getting a custom map too.
    the difference is night and day.
     
  4. Chillipepper83

    Chillipepper83 Active Member

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    PC3 or PCV? Or both do the same job in terms of smoothness just size of unit? Cheers
     
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    phantom Active Member

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    size of the unit and the pc3 needs a square battery plugged in to allow the
    map to be uploaded.the PCv also has more add on's but if its just a map
    and nothing else added to it then I would save my cash and get the PC3.
     
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    Chillipepper83 Active Member

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    If in the next 6 months I thought about a HM QS would it matter which one I had...?
     
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    phantom Active Member

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    No thats a stand alone product
     
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    Chillipepper83 Active Member

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    Great thanks guys
     
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    Getafix New Member

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    Also thinking of springing for one & i was wondering, is it still worth it if you can't get a custom tune? We have no dyno's for bikes where i live, so i'll have to rely on the maps given by Dynojet or i could also go for the auto-tune add on. Would an auto-tune module do as good a job as a custom tune will?
     
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    il have a h&m quickshifter for sale in a month or so cause getting the full bazzaz system witch includes qs
     
  11. phantom

    phantom Active Member

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    I wouldnt bother with the auto tune. Just use the map as it wont be that far out or
    Another member can email you there custom map to try out.thats what I have done
    Until I can get a custom map made.
     
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    Chillipepper83 Active Member

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    Pm me mate might be interested!
     
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    arthurbikemad A very helpful Gent

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    I would recommend AT as it will trim any map you load, as said they are often never that far out but with out mapping you will never know! I have seen maps that are miles out! I use AT and the main points are it will keep in trim a custom map like mine, or it will trim a standard downloaded map, also it will trim the bike regardless of temp, air filter condition and sea level etc etc, its BANG on the AFR of the dyno so you would have the same readings as they do at time of mapping but real time as you ride I tested it on the Dyno! The maps that you download on DynoJets web site have been looked over and trimmed so there are no wild values, in other words those maps are in a safe zone, if you share maps with others and say one of my bikes was VERY rich and I lean it by 40% across the midrange you then load that map onto your already lean bike for example then have a mixture that's far too lean for your bike, the maps on DynoJets site stay with in around 20% to be on the safe side as far as Ive seen. As a DynoJet dealer I dont recommend using other people's maps BUT others do and get good "butt dyno" results as they call it, however a lean bike always feels peaky and powerful! unlike a mapped bike that feels smooth... AT is not fully automatic and an understanding of the PCV, AT and the software is important to get it working, also it will only map where you ride so if you don't use top end it will not map it!
     
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    Thanks, that's interesting. So is it possible to put on the auto-tune & ride the bike around using all the power band, then once it's done it's bit you come home & save that map permanently? So that even if you take off the auto-tune module it's still using the best possible settings for your bike. Wouldn't that be better than having it mess with your mapping every time you're out on the bike?
     
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    arthurbikemad A very helpful Gent

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    Kind of yes..

    You have a base map and a Autotune map, you also have a target AFR.
    The Autotune will target the AFR set, so if you want 13.2:1 it will try and trim the base map to that AFR the new values are stored in the AT table and those values are used all the time AT is active, if you switch it off then the bike will use the base table, The AT table has a safe margin that can also be set its default is 20% this way AT will never lean off more than that value, once the AT table is at it's max trim value the user then needs to accept those values, only then is the base map updated you can then reset the AT table and ride again to get another 20% worth of correction... when the bike stays within the 20% you can say its mapped and no more updating of the base table should be required, the AFR targets can be setup like a table if you want to have a complex target AFR table for bests power however 13.2:1 is a good AFR..

    If you override or set a safe margin of 100% and the sensor was to fail you could run the bike lean and seize the motor...
     
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    my mate gave me his custom map for his blade,
    its 2009 hrc one with a K&n and leo-lince gp-pro can with 1k more miles.
    mine is the exact same spec but this still wouldnt work?
     
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    arthurbikemad A very helpful Gent

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    Defo will work mate, even if you load a map for any other can and filter it will work and maybe feel just fine, problem is with out running the bike up on the dyno no one can ever say how far out they are as you well know, that for me is the big plus side of AT is that it effectively is logging the AFR as you ride as well as mapping the bike.. Your right in saying they are never far out BUT I have seen one or two that have strange fuel spikes that need harsh mapping.. those maps Id avoid but don't forget you can take a look at your map and look for any BIG values to see if the map maybe a problem for your bike, big numbers always show a big correction that may point out a bike that truly has a very custom map.
     
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    I havent rode the bike since getting this map so havent been able to see
    what its like.I was using it until I can get some dyno time, my only problem
    is the guy I get to do my bike does a lot of the road race guys bikes so
    trying to get my bike slotted in can sometimes be a pain, sometimes
    need a few months notice.
     
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    arthurbikemad A very helpful Gent

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    Send me a screen cap mate or the map, lets see it.. :) if you like..
     
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