no not the caliper its difficult to tell when your on the bike but I reckon its coming from under the tank, near the exhaust headers! Ill try and video it if it will pick up tomorrow! thanks for help tho
Check all plastics as I have had a clicking noise coming From a loose mudguard rubbing a brake line. Other noises sometimes get reflected up through the headstock To give you the impression its from the front wheel.
Chaps, just remember that fults like this should be found and rectified during PDI, so a lot of the time it's the supplying dealer at fault, as I understand it all the abs Hondas have their brakes bled by hand at the manufacturing plant now rather than machine, such is the nature of the ABS system it's easy for trapped air to hide itself until the bike is used. Remember Honda use a completely different (and better) abs system than any other bike manufacturer an as such will have little niggles that others won't, but BMW etc have constant recalls on ABS bikes! Yes, it's not what you expect from a Honda BUT remember how much different a car is to a bike, the rigours a bike goes through in one ride would, if a car experienced the equivalent, shake it to bits. Even after that, I still wouldn't have an ABS bike, I've ridden an abs equipped BMW S1000RR on road AND track and it was bloody awful!
I right behind the principle of c-abs; I bought one. I have said before, that when it works, it is excellent. When it fails (& its the way that it fails which is the most alarming - lever coming back to the bar until released & pulled again), you loose all confidence. The system is complicated & very sensitive to tiny amounts of air. The software in the ecu also needs to be updated because it goes into fault mode all to easily; but I guess this is difficult. I predict we will start to hear about more mishaps as the currently "trouble free" systems develop faults; I don't believe people will just keep throwing big money at Honda for maintenance. Ironic hey!
There is no doubt that the abs system is of great benefit , braking on wet roads etc. Will the average rider have the spare brain capacity to manoeuvre around the car pulling out of a junction, or will they just apply the brakes and come to a stop without skidding , still being upright when they slam into the side of the car? I have no idea. I am glad that I got the choice to spec my new repsol without abs, having read some of the issues albeit on the earlier abs models, anyways it's going to be fair weather bike and track day machine, i dont need it for commuting as I've been there and done all the year round riding in a previous life. Crumbs I must be getting old and greyer.!! Hopefully delivered tomorrow. I see that the weekend may be drier, about time too!!
I was always a believer that you should be looking for an escape route rather than jamming on the anchors and so far for the many years and close calls I have had on bikes its worked for me.yes the abs works well in the wet but I would also like to see a dry test as I know I can personally brake hard enough to skip the rear wheel or start locking and releasing the front wheel so I want to see the abs beat this.the one problem I see is that abs is teaching newer riders to just rely on jamming on the brakes aka panic braking rather than the escape route all just my opinion
Been riding 14 years 1000s of miles commuting and fun and touring. (Probabaly tempting fate now) never needed an escape route, never had to jam on the brakes in a panic. I'm a believer in vision up, further rider training and riding with the limits of the roads your on and obvisouly your own skill. Never had the need for ABS (yet) and have never had abs. Have I had stupid people do stupid shit infront of me YES. But have always seen them in my riding plan and been able to react in plenty of time without the need for loads of front brake. Save the money on ABS and do a IAM course or other rider training and improve your skills. On another note the new BMW 1000rr HP4 with all its new technology looks awesome. Tempting!
I'm pretty sure that the original concept behind ABS was to let you brake as hard as possible while retaining the ability to 'steer' around the problem. I distinctly remember the first Ford advert demonstrating just this. Since then the usage and demonstration of the system seems to have been diluted into that of decreasing the stopping distance in a straight line even when 'anchored' on, with no sign of the steering around the obstacle while doing so. I'm not even certain how that particular dynamic transposes to two wheels. Does the pulsing of the wheel rotation mean that lean angle is compromised when taking avoiding action?
I do remember a road tester binning an abs bike braking on a corner, cant remember if it was the new R1? so I thik its designed for more straight line braking rather than the intelligent traction control braking that the likes of motogp use.
The Honda bike ABS is different. There is no pulsing at the lever like you get in a car, it's very smooth. I don't think the aim is to let you steer out of trouble. On a bike locking the front is usually (but not always) followed by a quick ground rider interface. I've had both. The first one was written off. If I'd had ABS I don't think it would have been. Lots of cash and trouble saved. The replacement has. No trouble so far.
I have ABS fitted to mine, I read, and continue to do so the various threads pertaining to the pros and cons of having it fitted to a bike. Only once have I used/tested its presence?, or was it indeed just my luck and, or judgement that kept me away from the dangers of a U turning pikey bastards horse whilst getting 'by my standards' a gallop on over Quernmore? Perhaps I will never know? A question I have yet to ask is....... How many people with ABS have had the issue of the front brake lever hitting the throttle when grabbing a hand full? And if they have? How many of the bikes that give this response have been fettled with I.e after market parts, brake lines etc! I'm not trying to pick, just to gauge an understanding of how many standard blades ABS fails are recorded as apposed to those which have after market braking enhancements fitted? I know of one standard one, and that was Bats. He experienced his going down the ramp to the IOM ferry last year, 40 miles on the clock and it happened? What I'm getting at, is possibly it's not the ABS that's at fault but the bleeding of the ABS system in general, for as mentioned aftermarket items added, or poor maintainence when the system was first put together?
OK Garyb I'll start with my 09 HRC. It's unfettled in the braking department so completely standard. I've done 3.5K on mine and I've had the lever to bar association from new. I've not had this issue braking from high speed, only when rolling up to traffic lights and feathering the brake, then if I release the lever and re-apply it's trap fingers time. Totally unconnected but I should've learnt my lesson with ABS really as I had an 09 Repsol from Knutford Honda as it was at that time. After setting off from the dealers forecourt from new the ABS light started flashing. Got home read the manual and took it back, they performed a reset of the system and off I went for the same thing to happen again just down the road. Cut a long story short I was without this bike (less than 60 miles on the clock) for around 3 months while they pissed about with it replacing sensors, ECU, etc and didn't have a clue basically. The bike ended up in HondaUk Slough. In the end, because they couldn't solve the mystery in reasonable time they offered a replacement and I went for the faster HRC colours The Repsol ended up fixed and back in the dealers for sale. Someone may have it on here?? I've still got the owners card and registration mark etc. Would be interesting to hear what happened to it and how it was fixed as I never got to the bottom of it.
Wow I ordered the slower Repsol one!!!!! Interestingly, would you still order an abs equipped blade now ?
Yeh, ABS seems to work too, but doesn't make it any slower...not as slow as a Repsol, epsecially the old Repsol colours anyway
Thanks billo01, It seems it's when the bike is at a slower speed then? Do you think it's pump related? I'm starting to get paranoid, seems I'm one of the few that's not experienced this yet. Bikes done just over 2000 miles now, I'm thinking more a case of when more than if
The owners handbook gives three known instances where the cabs will enter fault mode, revert to conventional & require an ignition off/on reset. From memory: Doing a wheelie for more than 1 second Running in gear with the rear wheel in the air (paddock stand) Riding with either of the brakes applied continuously up to 31mph (not sure off the speed without checking the handbook) I think its the last one which causes the most issues & can quite see Bats rolling down a ferry ramp with the the brakes applied slightly. Most of my problems have been while filtering so I guess I too would be covering the rear a little. The dangerous aspect is the way in which it enters fault mode - lever back to the bar as if all the fluid has drain out until it is released & grabbed again. These are generally braking conditions ffs; its just bonkers!! Mine is also a standard system with the exception of a manual overide switch.
This 'Leaver-back-to-the-Bar' lark in fault mode, does this apply to the updated version on MY12 Bikes, or is this from experience on just the earlier models?
