dont spose anyone has an installation booklet for the system3??? i want to take mine off the sp2 and fit it on the blade - which is getting delivered on the 6th undecided yet whether to just buy another / better alarm imoby thingy. i really do not want to leave any goodies on it at all when it goes away. just flies and a turd under the seat.
S3s are getting on a bit now - over ten years old, I wouldn't willingly fit one to a bike. Too many horror stories. If you have to, then S4 / Meta seem to get much better customer reviews.
to be fair bud i havent had any problems with it - most alarm problems are caused by crap installs - if wires are soldered instead of twisted together, and re-insulated proper there shouldnt be any problems. i'd put a s4 on or better but the new bike's skinted me already lol and i havent got it yet!!! decided why should i trade my other on with any extras on and then have to go buy them again... they werent paying me extra cos it had an alarm on it but my insurance will spank me if my new one doesnt. that was my logic anyway. it was pretty straightforward to remove btw.... apart from the installer had commoned up all the colours and used black wires to break into the loom,, labelled it all up proper so it should go back ok. bike started up ok once i realised id left it in gear!!!!
It was only my opinion, I fully expect you to do what you want/need to do to suit your circumstances. Personally, I didn't have any problems with mine except the fact that unless the ignition is on, and therefore the headlight, it is always armed and likely to bleep or regularly beeping. I did however spend over three hours in a layby on a dark, cold Saturday evening in March waiting for the AA because my battery failed (first AA van turned up after an hour and a bit, said yes it is your battery and then another one and a half hours for the recovery vehicle). Unsurprisingly, I wanted to minimise the chances of a repeat performance. My MoT man told me that he removed the one from his VFR as another customer's S3 had caused their bike to cut out at motorway speeds. I don't know about newer bikes, but because of HISS, my S3 made sod all difference to my insurance. Most online quote forms only let you put HISS or alarm, anyway. IIRC the black wires have coloured tags on when new, fitters are meant to remove them one installed.
your opinions are welcome and respected unlike on some forums where you're likely to get informed replies from 14 year olds who ride stolen chinese pitbikes and know it all! regarding the cutting out...... this is probably down to the install, and where the bike has been immobilised. the way ive done them in the past (and on my sp which was fitted at pdi) is by cutting into the tilt relay to immobilise the bike. dont like interfering with the ecu & fuel pump at all if possible, and this also means not having to tag wires all the way down the loom. it might also have been caused by the anti tamper switch being places somewhere where its getting buffeted about? the only problem with using the tilt sensor is that if you drop the bike it wont restart until you reset the alarm. *btw - regarding tilt switches.... anyone tried fitting an extra one turned round 90* under the tail??? wired into the low tension before the icm, if you pull more than a 60* wheelie it pops the ignition and brings it down, sounds like the bike's on the limiter. works well on the SP and has saved my arse a few times lol!
My S3 behaves itself and may well have been on the bike from new. 11 years now. I'm hoping I've not just juju'd it by saying so. If I have one grip its that I'd prefer it if the default setting was immobilise and ignition alarm rather than immobilise, ignition and trembler. I'd rather set it manually to 'don't touch' rather than automatically.
Seems newer alarms are even easier to remove than older ones, some Ive done of late are one plug, now that's total shite! The HISS system works well.
my view is that any alarm is a deterrant only - serving only to put off the casual thief / fiddler / vandal. no alarm or lock will stop a professional thief or gang. they'll even get round a tracker. when its at home, my bike is chained to a ground anchor, immobilised by HISS and alarmed, in a brick garage linked to my house alarm, that can only be opened from the internal door, and i have the only key! when im out it rarely leaves my side. regarding alarms, i took the datatool system3 alarm off my sp2 trade in with a view to fitting it on the new blade, but also cos i insisted on giving the dealer absolutely zero extras, seeing as thats what they were giving me! my insurer told me that the sys3 was declassified as a cat1 alarm in 2009, and while it's ok on my old bike as it was fitted in 2003, it would only be classed as cat2 on the blade, which is pointless as the HISS system is already cat2. so i bought myself a meta defconT - with the plug n play loom, simply because i didnt want to have to hack into the bike's wiring. the point being, if a thief has my bike, he will know how to disable and remove the alarm anyway, so it makes no difference if it's a plug-in loom or hardwired. absolute doddle to fit, no messing about, apart from having to drill a 8mm hole in the tail tidy for the LED and a bit of fiddling about lining up the protective switches. it's a lot more sensitive than the sys3 and has a lot more set-up options. and is louder when it's triggered! no danger of the bike cutting out at speed etc as it's immobilised purely with the HISS system - the alarm is used just as an alarm, apart from after 5 days when the alarm goes to sleep and immobilises the bike until it's disarmed - even if the key is used. im happy with it for now - and my insurer will be as well as the bike is now full cat1
