Has anyone any thoughts on what upgrade is best "first"? Brembo MC or M4 callipers as a brake upgrade to the RR6 Blade? Some threads seem to point to the Master cylinder first, and of course folk that bought the calipers say that they are amazing..
Master cylinder seem to be the weakest point of most jap braking systems so would also be my first choice too then if still not 100% happy go with the new calipers.
I fitted both at the same time to my RR6, but from what I have heard from others, I think as sinewave said MC first. I bought the RCS19 18/20. Added HEL lines at the same time. The upgrade made a big difference to the stopping power and has allowed me to brake quite a lot later than on stock gear. Saved me a few times on the road too this year, not sure I would have stopped in time if I had not got them.
Thought as much.. only pain is that I've recently put on ASV Shorty gold levers.. and would be a shame to see them go so soon!
I went in this order Levers - ASV only bling really! Pads - EBC HH but going back to OEM, would like to try Brembo next tho Lines - R&G braided Fluid - ATE super Blue MC - RCS 19 to be fitted very soon Next rotors then M4s. Like already said the MC is the weak point, if I find the MC makes a massive difference I might only fit the rotors. I think the main difference between the M4 and the OEM callipers is that M4 have 8x34mm pistons and OEM 4x32 + 4x30mm pistons, so you might find the OEM MC might struggle with the M4, therefore it is better to go MC first See 'feel' calculations in http://1000rr.co.uk/general-1000rr-discussion/13520.htm#post223143
Slick, why you going back to OEM pads? I also use the EBC HH and combined with the Wavy discs, seem to have been an improvement over the OEM..
Eerrrrmmm just for the stoopid ie : ME how by changing teh master cylinder does it make the braking better??
Experimenting more than anything else. I've used 3 sets in the past year OEM/EBC/EBC, though EBC have a little extra initial bite I 'think' OEM may have better modulation on the limit of grip, I just seem to be able to control the brakes more before the ABS kicked in, just trying thing out really.
@Gilesy, I know what you mean, I have the Brembo lever on the brake side and a pazzo on the other and the spare pazzo in the shed. Eventually I will replace the Clutch M/c but really only for the cosmetic reason of having the same levers each side......so that can wait.
It's a common miss understanding that bigger piston gives more pressure, it actually the other way round, you will have higher pressure with a smaller piston. Sorry to butt in Sideways but check out the formula and the feel chart that I posted some time back, Slick posted a link. Changing master cylinders can be hit and miss if you don't know what piston sizes your mixing, a smaller piston will give you more force and could be an undesirable effect of your not carful! Easy to pull and high pressure is not a good mix for example. The same effect would be adding callipers with larger piston size, it's not that you have enlarged the pistons it's that you have made the masters smaller.
That makes total sense! BTW i bought mine here only a few days ago on a best offer for £229 received next day BREMBO RCS FRONT BRAKE MASTER CYLINDER 19mm x 18 & 20 RATIO "FREE DELIVERY" | eBay
think I will do it.. early Xmas pressie.. found this explanation that seems to point towards the opposite of your article arthurbikemad: Overview of a Brembo Master Cylinders
Try here mate Matching a Front Master Cylinder to your Caliper(s) - Custom Fighters - Custom Streetfighter Motorcycle Forum
arthurbikemad - makes perfect sense.. so assuming that the Brembo has a "smaller" internal piston diameter than stock, then there is an increase in hydraulic force applied to the caliper pistons for the same force applied through my grubby hands
Tbh mate it's a combination of factors, or in other words more than one factor that gives you the feel you want, in the real world a 19mm master works fine with the OEM callipers and has the perfect ratio for M4 34x34, if you like a firm lever go for a 19 x 20 if you like it softer and more progressive go for 19 x 18, Brembo say 20 for the road as it's harder to pull and in the event of an emergency stop you don't ask for too much in haste if you get me. Guess I'm just over complicating the situation....lol Oh and that OPP article is slightly misleading IMO but guess they want a quick explanation, impossible if you ask me...lol Right I'll sod off now
Spend too much dosh lately so went for the cheaper option so re-using the stock reservoir with a new mount Ladybird style universal remote fluid reservoir bracket front/rear 95mm UK MADE | eBay Might buy the brembo version in the new year if the credit card hasn't been maxed by the wife!
