Hi, Im new to the forum and this is my first post. Can anyone give me any advice as to who is best to get my 2010 blade with a pc5 and a R-77 slip on custom mapped to get the full benefit from the pcv. Any opinions or insight would be great. Thanks Grant
I went to Eccosse in Aberdeen.. but if I'm honest, I wouldn't go back.. gave me a lame excuse that they had no printer ink, so couldn't give me a print out of the before / after..
I can recommend Bob Scott in Glenrothes/Fife, he does a lot of race bike tuning and takes a lot of time in getting the perfect set up for your bike
Hi Grant, I got a custom maps done on my 2010 Blade at Bob Scott's in Glenrothes! I got his address of Dynojet website but I donno if was having an off day or he could be arsed but he made a right horlicks of it! I contacted Dynojet after some advice from the guys on here! And I got a refund and Dynojet in Preston done my maps free of charge because I had got Bob Scott details of they're site! The strange thing is Bob Scott race tunes Dennis Hobbs bikes for 848 Challenge so I thot he would be the boy for the job! But I'm thinking of sticking an Autotune on mine as well as it adjusts your fueling as you ride so you don't need dyno time it will also keep optimum fueling if you take your baffle out etc! I've got a map switch on mine with 2 maps one for power and one for economy but the Autotune will adjust for temp, humidity and baffle and get the most out of my maps! I just feel that custom maps are kinda rigid and don't allow for environmental changes! I would give Dynojet a call and ask there advice, the Autotune might be the way to go for you! It'll saves going to a dyno centre! Hope this help mate! Good luck Trev
That's the route I've taken. Full Racing arrow system with an autotune fitted, as it's a track bike first time out will be in March at Knockhill which is all the more reason to have the autotune on it as you don't get two days the same up there lol so constant adjusting should help keep it sweet. Even when the bike was ticking over in the shed with the laptop connected I could both see the change to the fueling and hear the engine note changing. I would say well worth the money when you think it's a plug and play system.
Dynotech eccosse in braehead industrial estate Glasgow are the guys to go to. Willie and Martin can not be anymore helpful or knowledgeable.
Trev, The use of the autotune will overwrite parts of your already dyno created maps, if your dyno tuner has spent some time with your bike and carried out quite a few runs he will have altered your bike for a mix of power and bikes responsiveness and to get that he will have manually entered changes to the fuel/AFR map to achieve this! Tbh unless your unhappy with something specific on the map I wouldn't spend the extra for the autotune! When using standard downloaded map from dynojet the autotune has a more blanket AFR (Air fuel ratio) targets to achieve (these can be adjusted but both knowledge and testing will be required to find out what's best for your bike) these figures are originally set by dynojet and stored inside the downloaded map but they may be missing from your custom created maps! These default AFR figures are a safe starting point so no harm is done to the engine but should create better power delivery than stock as well as still trying to keep decent MPG figures during the cruising throttle positions! But bikes like everything mass produced they are never identical due to building tolerances and specific AFR's that work great on one bike could cause another to stutter, create less or more power, run engine lean or rich at each specific map block! That said the autotune is a great tool which can achieve some great results but it's still a tool just the same as a dyno machine is a tool. Yes some race teams use autotune systems on there bikes to try and gather more data but they normally use them in conjunction with a dyno machine to test the changes the autotune makes as it can just as easily make negative adjustments and make the bike ride and feel worse rather than better. I wouldn't expect a team to actually have the autotune system active during a race for that very reason, the bike could theoretically deliver differing lap times from lap to lap due to bad mapping for a specific throttle position which causes a small difference next lap round. I have spoke about my experience with the autotune systems in other threads on here and it's not really just a matter of plug and play and it's job done! Also worth a mention is the actual lambda probe does not have a very long life expectanency and can and do fail if used constantly fixed into the bikes exhaust! I found I was able to create a map that suited my riding style over the space of about 4 decent long 3-4hr runs out on the bike after I had worked out the kinks and issues generated by the autotune, those autotune created maps have now become my stored maps (just like custom maps would be) on the pc5 allowing me to remove the lambda probe from the exhaust as its no longer required! Holly crap that turned out a long post!
Thanks very much for all your help guys , its given me a few options to explore. So the autotune creates its own maps ? or is it always adjusting the afr to suit the relevant conditions? I do like the idea of it being set up once on the dyno then that's it all done. Just need to find the best place to take it to , I will look into the suggestions above Cheers
I fear this may be another large post to get all the info across, anyway first off I feel that the power commander (PC) is not about adding more power to a bike though it will add some even using the downloaded maps from dynojet. I never bought mine to get more power out of the bike what I want the PC to do is smooth out my power delivery rather than get highest total BHP I can get out of the bike! I added the PC to get rid of a very annoying stutter/flat spots when holding speed on the motorway which materialised after adding some aftermarket parts like the akra exhaust. To answer your question about what the autotune does first here is a description of what the power commander does so you can see how the pc5 and the autotune work together. I posted this in another thread here which was all about pros and cons of adding a power commander so you may find info contained in there useful. But like I said the autotune is not just plug and play you will have to spend a bit of time with a laptop plugged into your bike after first few runs in order to make the alterations the autotune captured during the run permanent! The simplest and quickest option to get the fuelling setup is by paying a tuner to create a custom map for your bike. But if you like to spend a little less money and like to tinker with your bike the autotune is a great bit of kit but you may not be able to achieve the same BHP figures that a dyno tuner could achieve as your relying on your bum n head to say if something if better or not but your testing is done in with real world riding not artificially on a rolling road!
Yeah i when I say full power Craig my maps have different hp my economy map is 10hp less than my other map hence why I call it full power! It's the mods that gain you a few extra horse and the PCV that make them work with the bike at there best by compensating the fueling! But I noticed my bike was running rough before a put her away for the winter especially with the baffle out on fully power that why I was thinking of going down the autotune route.
Hi, I'm not 100%, with the jargon of all the fuel mapping and extra BHP, but what I will give you knowledge of is my experience of a £1700 installment of a dynojet QS. Now where do I begin Firstly installed by bob grant. I requested a dynojet quick shifter. "No problem, you will require a PC 5 with this upgrade" ok. Now you would think this would be the obvious choose, being a dyno tech expert. No. After installment and being of limited ability, I was happy, because I'm all QS below 7k revs. Put it on knockhill shit. Does not go in gear after 8k. Bloody hell. I'm not going further into this crazy shit. Bottom line dynotech ecosystem sorted it out. If you need the full story call me on 0775338327. I will give my honest opinion who to go to.
Thanks for all your input guys, it looks like I will give the guys at dynotech a call and see what they can do. Also can anyone confirm that the latest power commander for a 2012 blade with the extra tps plug , will this fit my 2010 blade ok as it was a used one off ebay that I got and the part nos are different on the dynojet website for the different years. My bike also has the Averto alarm fitted so im sure it will be fun trying to fit the pcv in there also. Thanks Grant
I know the 2008-2011 PCV's won't fit the 2012+ models as Honda changed the loom connections that the PC used but not sure if the newer model PCV would fit the older bikes but given the connectors on the loom were changed I would suspect it won't fit mate! As far as fitting the PCV into the blade with an alarm fitted in the huge boot space available it is possible with some careful planning beforehand or pretty easily is you ditch the tool kit! We fitted one to a 2010 with a datatool alarm fitted but had to eventually ditch the toolkit after adding charging connectors n other items in there!
Thanks very much for the help. I have had some conflicting information with the fitting of a later model pcv onto an earlier bike , some people say that you cant fit a earlier bike pcv to a 2012 as there is less plugs on the harness then but you can do it the other way around as its a extra tps connection that's needed and you just connect this up on the bike. I think ill give Dynotech Ecosse a call today and hopefully they can shed some light on it.
I went to a bloke called Chap.....not kidding by the way. Check out his website, Home - HIGHLAND MOTORCYCLE DYNOS He is based just outside Cromarty, North of Inverness. Got my last bike, a 2008 KTM superduke 990 running sweet as, very good at what he does, and a nice bloke too.
