Myself and Dave v were chatting to a master honda technician (also an expert in a well known rag) and he explained how the system worked. I thought the abs was a system that cut in when you fcuked it up and the sensors detected a slide. How he explained it (or inunderstood it) was you pull the lever but that has no connection to the pistons, the ecu picks up the pressure you've applied to your dummy lever and send a signal to your calipers to apply that pressure on your behalf.... Fcuk that!!! I never got abs back in 2011 as I just had a hunch it was something else to go wrong, glad I didn't now. Gutted for all you fellas that got issues with your abs, as its just not on... Especially as like me, no doubt they told you it was bullet proof and amazing. Hope you get it sorted soon rich. Really helpful and honest fella - One thing he did say was just bypass it with new lines straight from MC to calipers? But that's bullshite too IMO - it should work. End of... Although this was in response to ColinBr trying to put brembos on an abs system which he's sorted now
Jim, I know about your bike, I had a long discussion with VOSA over it, the trouble is that no matter how much evidence is thrown at Honda, either by dealers, owners or via VOSA, they just shut their ears and bury their heads in the sand. VOSA are even concerned about the long term viability of these bikes as they age and start to fall into owners hands who say do not have the resources to maintain them in the same way that new or nearly new owners can afford to. They also have concerns over the sheer complexity of the system in terms of maintenance and the fact the Honda agents are struggling to bleed bikes effectively, and it was stated that the next range of Fireblades will not have an ABS system that has the same issues for maintenece. Honda must know whats wrong, these issues have been reported globally for several years now, but the fact that no Honda importer in any country will do anything just leads you to believe the command has come down from on high in Japan not to break ranks and tough it out. the problem is that as we know, this is issue is not constant and the next time you pull the lever, bingo it works. So just think where a rider loses brakes, hits something and dies, bloody good chance it will be put down to rider error as they will not find anything wrong when the check the braking system.
Don't know about bullshite jumbo but I have just done it to a 600 brand new and not a problem,I agree why should you do it to a 15 k bike but mine was cheap at a grand and a half off but believe me it works spot on honda don't agree you should not do it but what's the diff when you take all SYS off Senser's,ecu module and put on conv lines so the point is it's not bullshite as you put it because it works as I have proven
It's bullshite you have to do it to a 15k bike mate on a system that is soon to become compulsory. It should work better than a standard system. Wasn't saying the fella was talking bs - was really helpful and honest about the system That said I know plenty who have it and have no issues. Just hoping it gets sorted out
What's the abs ecu's response to swapping out the lines to conventional lines? Does the system fling up faults bringing the abs light on or flashing?
the right panel on my bike decal has peeled off .I have a warranty claim against Honda at padgetts ..Honda have supplied a new panel . looks to me like the heat from the rad is softening the sticker
I think Honda should have just lacquered over the stickers like they used to do in older models, it seems they are doing anything and everything to save a few pennies but the product is suffering for it IMO!
Well I still believe it's all down to shyte bleeding techniques by individuals. Some Bikes come from the factory and work faultlessly, some don't! Diff Jap techs are better than others. Some Honda Dealers are better than others. Mine had a mare bleeding mine and had Honda's UK Head Office Tech on the phone twice but got there in the end 2 days later! Not many Peeps, OEM Techs or Dealers who'll be arsed tp go through all all that so hence the problems with some Bikes. Mine was done last Summer are so far has not put a foot (or lever) wrong.
I would NOT take a chance and buy an ABS blade. Not only is it more to maintain, the reports of it failing and the stories from owners on here that have experienced the failings, wether at low speed or not, simply terrifies me. If the future bikes only come with ABS, then Honda will lose a customer in me, amongst hundreds of others. Terrible service from honda in my opinion, and an accident waiting to happen.
Ok, yip I know a lil bit about the abs ECU and the system as a whole! But what does swapping the abs lines out for conventional lines do to the responses from the abs ECU does it fling fault codes up due to the lines?
Oh, don't get me wrong, I agree entirely! If Honda won't admit something this blatant then what else will they hide? Once my warranty is up there currently are far more attractive options available to me at present.
My Repsol was bled properly last year, then works like a charm. BUT 5000 miles later (1 yr in my world) and bam ABS failing again..Id had enough hence my trade in. The ABS is fantastic when it works but I couldn't gamble with my life like that, and my bank won't take a 5 hr bleed every year on top of all other servicing. If you own a ABS-C bike my advice is o bleed her regularly and hopefully that should be fine. Be careful peeps or ring your dealers and trade em in...money talks!
Has not brought up any fault codes on mine bul it did on the fuel inj light after taking off exhaust servo tho but easily rectified
Totally agree Si. If they haven't sorted this abs out I won't be buying a new model either. I am reading these posts out to my wife as I read them, and she said exactly the same thing you said Si.
