External WAP device?

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  1. sinewave

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    Need better WiFi in the Workshop and the existing WAP in the House just aint cutting it.

    I have a wired CAT5E outlet in the Meter cupboard on the Kitchen wall which is right opposite the line of site to the Workshop which is 20m away, mounting an externally mounted device and running a patch lead through the wall would be easy.

    Any links to sumat decent please from the I.T Geeks, Al?
     
  2. GappySmeg

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    If your workshop is on the same mains electric as the house, would one of these do the job?

    http://www.devolo.com/uk/Products/dLAN-500-WiFi/


    Never tried their WiFi thing, but I use their standard networking plugs to get decent web access in the bedroom and study.
     
  3. sinewave

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    No the Workshop has it's own 3 Phase supply so it needs to be a remote signal.

    Kicking myself for not laying an external grade Ethernet cable in the trench when we laid the lectrix and water etc :rolleyes:
     
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    Ethernet cables run 100m (Cisco max length) so is there an option to just route a long cable and then add a WAP to the end of it

    Otherwise I'll have a look but we pay a company to sort this stuff for us running CAT5 above ceiling space back to main comms room / switches

    Other more nerdy geeks than me will be along with better options so patience young padwan , a solution for you arrive it will
     
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  6. Mr OCD

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    CAT5 recommended max distance is actually 96m ... Regardless if you have direct line of site you can use infrared wireless points that aren't too expensive these days.
     
  7. arthurbikemad

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    Or buy a second hand WRT54G flashed to DD WRT firmware, crack up the output to 256mw and add some high gain 12db antennas, times that by three all sharing the same SSID and bam you have what I have WiFi over 12 acre site and more :D
     
  8. ShinySideUp

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    You could go down the route of an external WAP like this,
    http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/?categoryid=1246&model=TL-WA7210N#fea

    It comes complete with POE injector so your only requiring to run a length of cat5 (would prob be best with external grade) out to the the unit and mount it on the outside wall facing the workshop and attaching an earth connection to aid the lightening protection.

    Doesn't have AC link type compatibility only G,B & N150. But it's less than £50 quid and any of the tp-link gear I have used have worked pretty well and reliable.
     
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  9. sinewave

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    Already have a fully hardwired Networked House with a Netgear Gigabit switch in a mini plant room on the third floor.

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    I have a CAT5E outlet sockets wired in all rooms including as stated previously in the electricity meter cupboard in the Kitchen
    I'm sure there must be a WAP I can plug in here that is capable of transmitting through 1 breeze block wall of the house then 20M up the Drive to the Workshop?

    I've also found out we now have Superfast Broadband in our Village so assuming I'll have to have a new BT Router for this could the old BT Router as in the Pic be used as a decent WAP downstairs?
     
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  10. arthurbikemad

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    What about Maplin, they must have something that will do?
     
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  11. ShinySideUp

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    The external WAP unit I posted houses a 500mw transmitter most domestic hubs are about half that at best, I have messed about with quite a few old bt hubs as they are the first thing we swapped out in a business environment as they couldn't handle multiple VoIP phones going through them, anyway they don't have brilliant wifi range at the best of times or very feature rich in functions either.

    The AC certification routers are supposed to have a better ability to boost the signal range but not too many devices support the format yet without buying new AC spec network adapters, and the other factor is the cost of the AC units are still pretty high in comparison to the older N type.

    Going back to the WAP tho it has a direction antenna which the specs sheet says can achieve upto 2km range but I doubt that in a built up area.
    With your current setup in the house you should by the sounds of it just need to drill a hole through the kitchen wall to the outside and feed a small patch cable out the the WAP unit and plug it in.

    The mains power to the WAP is fed down the included Poe injector so the wap gets its power down the cat cable, the injector looks like a cat5 coupler with two cat sockets and an standard power jack plug socket for the power brick to go into, the other two sockets are labeled lan(this goes back to your switch for data communication) the there is labeled Poe (this sends both data and power down the cat cable to WAP).

    But it's really up to you what route you fancy taking and how much money, time and effort you wish to invest.
    There are quite a few options available to you tho. :)
     
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  13. ShinySideUp

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    Yes that's the one, and yes it won't matter by what means of connecting to your ISP (Virgin media fibre, BT infinity or std adsl connection) the WAP would be setup as an Access Point in the devices web administration page along with the usual ssid broadcast name, encryption method and password and any other security features you wish to add like Mac filtering to limit what devices can connect thru the WAP.

    When a wifi device successfully connects to the WAP the WAP contacts what ever router you are using to issue an ip address to connecting device via dhcp and then as such all comunications going out to the web goes thru your Cisco switch to your router and finally out to the web. Internal comunications work same way by coming in thru the WAP thru the switch and out to any wired devices on the network or thru the router to any wifi devices connecting via it.
     
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    Not unless you have any 802.11a compatible devices.
    Most devices adopted the 802.11b/g/n which runs on the 2.4 bandwidth where as the 5ghz bandwidth isn't quite as crowded so can achieve better reception but as said devices need to have correct adaptor type inside to be able to connect on that frequency.
     
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  16. arthurbikemad

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    I use a WiFi scanner for android, on 2.4ghz it's packed in town, given that out of 11 channels there are only three prime channels, the rest are shared and it's hard to find free space, chan 1, 6 and 11 are the only pure channels if you like, at least if you have 5ghz device you can have clear tx and get good data rates via WiFi, it's shocking how 2.4 gets knocked about, after all LOADs os other devices TX on 2.4 and flatten the signal or cause interference, mind you WiFi data TX is DIRTY as hell, poorly SWR/matched antennas chucking out buckets of crap into the airwaves :(
     
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  17. ShinySideUp

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    The problem is there are only so many radio frequencys available in the spectrum and most of those are all reserved for various reasons, government/police/fire/ambulance services, tv, std radio transmissions, r/c toys, walkie talkes, cell phones (pretty sure cell co's bought up all the free analogue to signal space for data 3G/4G just after the switch over to digital to)
    But yes it is very busy and noisy on the 2.4ghz bandwidth area and almost any electric appliance or device will effect the signal quality microwaves are the worst of all! Then the fact every house pretty much now has wifi routers installed and given the UK is only legally allowed to use 11 channels they are flooded with traffic!

    Luckily the stronger signal wins out over the weaker so you know what you need MORE POWER!!!! :D
     
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  18. Barstewardsquad

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    As Arthur said 2.4GHz is like the fat bird of frequencies. It's the dirty secret of frequencies that no-one wants to admit to using, Bluetooth, Dect phones, wireless doorbells, wireless burglar alarms, baby monitors, you name it they sit on 2.4GHz. If you have the devices to support it then go 5GHz.

    Downside is that as frequency goes up the distance goes down, but 20m line of sight should be OK.
     
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  19. arthurbikemad

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    Not wrong, I'm a radio ham :) studied UHF for many years, moon bounce with UHF and slow scan TV way before the internet was born, we used to talk rollox all night, bit like me now haha
     
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  20. sinewave

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    Always liked the Dirty rough units me sen, so will stick to what I know I think.

    It's only guna be for my Old Dell Latitude 630 Lappy which runs my Woolich Flashing Software so that'll be on 2.4Ghz defo
     
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