I am thinking of using it in my car + bikes perhaps at every other fill up to mitigate E10 potential problem. Just filled up my car with Esso 99 @159.9ppl it was painful! I stay away from supermarket regular but was wondering how their super is. I only know of Sainsbury’s & Tesco having it. has anyone tried it?.
Tried both instead of the Shell here which was £1.59.9. Couldn't tell any difference tbh. Our Jet has just installed a Premium pump for £1.47 Not tried that. Don't know what the octane rating is. Usually I use the Esso like you mentioned as I have to go further to get to a supermarket.
Used tesco super for the last 15 years from imported heavily modified imprezas that were rolling road tuned to run in 99 ion. Used it in my 5ltr supercharged jag for the last few years. Never had any issues with it.
I use it in my gt86 that needs super and it's fine. I don't use it in the bikes because they only need standard. If your cars/bike are compatible with e10 I can't see the point of the expense though and if there not you probably should just use super while it's still e5.
thanks guys. Agree with all the points & feedback. My intention is to go for E5/ E0 (esso) for the car as it lives outdoors, exposed to the elements all year round but clearly drinks more than the bikes (with me riding them). Although the car Toyota made in 2003 is E10 compatible, being a cautious sod I will switch to E5/0 & see how it goes. Will most propably start with tesco's from kirk's comment
If you're not getting pre ignition, you don't need super. Nearly everything on the road now is E10 safe. Europe and USA have used it for a few years. It doesn't go bad being parked outside. If your car was not compatible then using it every other time wouldn't help much. The problem with real old stuff is the ethanol melting plastic & rubber parts in the fuel system. Don't believe all the crap in the papers, their VW camper broke down because it's a piece of shit, not because of E10.
What camper was that? (I don’t read the papers and dont remember hearing about it on the two forums I’m a member of). My 50yr old VW camper will be a problem in the mid to long term because the fuel lines need to be replaced with ethanol proof lines, and until that’s done I need to run as less ethanol as I can through them. To do that I have to get to the fuel tank and to do that I have to remove the engine. But, the biggest issue with older cars and bikes is with the fuel tanks. Ethanol retains water which separates out when the bus/van is sitting for months at a time, and it sinks to the bottom. This then starts rusting holes in the fuel tank. Also carb components like brass jets are not ethanol safe either, as they are a copper alloy, and any none-ethanol safe gaskets or seals can also perish. Those of us that run vintage vehicles are getting on top of it. The press is a rabid dog looking for another bone now everyone is bored of hearing about covid.
Said it before, so will say it again, if you run a older vehicle, particularly those with carbs, then the only fuel currently on general sale in the UK a that does not contain ethanol is Esso Super Supreme 99, it’s carb friendly. Caveat that with, if you live in remote areas like the South West of England or the whole of Scotland, then it does contain Ethanol, tough shit but you chose to live there.
well guys my epxeriment has started. The car has started it's diet of super starting with esso E0. I have noticed in my area, all the supers seem to sell @ £159.9~ £161.9 Tesco is out of my way at the moment but definitely on the shopping list. I will be monitoring mpg and engine behaviour
Bloody hell, one hundred and sixty pounds a litre???? (I know, you meant pence). I paid 165p a litre yesterday for 97 super... I should have bought all that oil when they were practically giving it away.
What he says is entirely true. Other considerations are that the premium quality fuel will tend to have the best fractions of oil in it. So lower ash and higher caloric value in addition to the better detergents. I use Esso Super in everything. Still have to put Redex in the lawnmower though
BP super is ethanol free, To check get a small bottle fill bottle 10% with water put a line on the bottle then top up with petrol, give it a shake when it all settles the water should be still at the line if no ethanol, if the water mix has doubled then 10% ethanol
One can also do this to remove the ethanol from petrol: mix some water into the petrol in a clear container, wait until the ethanol and water mix has separated out (to the bottom), then syphon the petrol off the top. It's probably not worth it unless one has an old engine with zero ethanol tolerance, but it's an option nonetheless.
Also, to be safe, use an old brass Zippo lighter to check the level of the fuel in the container is at the right height.
6 months later here is the outcome 3 vehicles: honda RR8, yamaha 660 (single, 2009) and toyota 2.0 petrol (2003 with 4 lambda sensors!). Petrol: super unleaded from BP, shell & esso RR8 & Yam 660: October switching to super, tiny improvement in mpg but no noticeable change in performance From december, the mpg suddenly dropped (colder weather consumption taken into account) End of Jan, changed to E10 95 RON, mpg improved but performance/ torque felt less sharp in top gear roll on pick up End of Feb, switched back to super, mpg improved to what it was in previous years. Engine performace definitely improved, with better torque & pickup Toyota October switching to super, no change in mpg but the pick up in top gear felt stronger (torque?) even compared to E5 95RON From december, the mpg dropped (to a lesser extent than on the bikes) Switching to E10 end of Jan did not improve mpg and engine felt sluggish End of Feb, switched back to super, mpg back to normal and engine performace improved tp October level So I would say in general, super unleaded seems to have a positive effect on engine performance and mpg compare to E10 95RON and to a lesser extent compared to E5 95RON (more pronounced in the case of the car) I don't understand the mystery drop in mpg during Dec/ Jan maybe the winter fuel formulation was not correct. I don't know when the seasonal fuel formulation is changed. For now, I will stay with super
