Brake calliper bolts Torque dilema

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  1. thezipsteruk

    thezipsteruk Elite Member

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    A quick question for you?

    I fitted a roadlok disc lock today, all went on no problem. I torqued up the calliper bolts supplied with the kit as they are slightly longer to fit the lock.
    Now the fitting kit says Honda CBR1000rr Torques up to 22lb but my Honda manual says 30lb.
    Ive done 22lb for now but what do you reckon, what would you torque them too?
    Its the brakes i want to get it right, Cheers for any help.
     
  2. PeterT

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    Depends on the material/ quality of your new bolts that were supplied with the kit. Honda know the quality of their bolts which is why they torque them up to that stage.
     
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  3. Fudster

    Fudster Active Member

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    You'll be way better off contacting the makers to find out why their torque value is lower than standard

    I'd be very suprised if 33Lbft would be enough to over stress the bolts enough to go past it's yield point but ... (isn't there always a but) without knowing the material specs of the replacement bolts, what lubrication they specify if any at all, it would be pure guesswork to advise

    If they have advised lubricant (grease, copperslip, threadlock etc) that would lower the torque value due to differing coefficient of friction (COF)

    Or it could just be a typing error !
     
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  4. thefirebloke

    thefirebloke Elite Member

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    Never torqued a bolt in my life! Can't really see the need, been riding for 37 years and never had a problem with any bolts. Common sense really when tightening them up.
     
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  5. PeterT

    PeterT Active Member

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    Yep I agree
     
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    Same here except for the front and rear wheel nuts.
     
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  8. Mad Matt

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    I use my fingers to tighten nuts and bolts, spanners and wrenches are for little girls;)
     
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  9. sinewave

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    This Man say's anyone of that opinion has a little weener!

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  10. sps170373

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    43nm is the correct torque setting as only just changed my caliper bolts for titanium ones a couple of weeks ago
     
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  11. Dave V

    Dave V Elite Member

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    Are they stainless bolts? If so the torque settings normally less than standard or TI
     
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  12. SIDEWAYS

    SIDEWAYS Senior Member

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    I do mine by feel.After the last service at a Honda garage back in August last year I'm doing everything myself.I had one that was too tight on one side and had to use a bar to crack it off.The other side was ok but the silly idiot forgot to tighten the allen bolt that holds the pads in.So torque settings are not done at a dealer.
     
  13. Fudster

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    Was just going to ignore this but then thought ....... naaaaaaa wheres the fun in that :D

    Sooooooo you best inform the torque wrench manufacturers they're wasting their time (Norbar, Stanley, Britool, Gedore, Stahlwille etc), don't forget to tell the Tensioning manufacturers & Techs who use similar equipment that they'll be out of work soon with this revelation (Enerpac, Plarad, Hydratight etc), not to mention Bolt torquing lubricant manufacturers cos obviously there won't be any need for any of that sort of malarky either (copperslip, coppaslip, easyrun, Loctite etc)

    Imagine how impressed all the bike, car, oil industry or come to think of it anything manufactured with bolts makers will be to realise they dont need to torque or tension anything again ... just yark it up cos it's just common sense really, they'll save a fortune

    I don't torque up all the bolts on my bike or car, just the ones I feel are important like brakes, wheels, engine etc, I once warped a Stan Stephens Stage 3 YPVS 350 cylinder head because I thought I knew better, I didn't strip or snap anything but as I found out later if the head bolts arent at the same tension the chances of warping the head were greatly increased

    My main point in this is that a lad has asked for a little advise and you've pretty much said torquing isn't neccessary ... believe me in certain applications it is ... i.e brakes

    I'm more impressed that in 37 years you've never had any bolt problems .. no snaps .. no strips .. non come loose ! Whats your real name Jack Anory !
     
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  14. scooby

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    jesus got a bit too much time on your hands there have you?

    he gave his opinion,and experience,it's upto the op which opinion he chooses to follow.

    how many DIY'ers that just like to tinker every now and again torque shit up,in fact how to use a torque wrench properly.i agree if the manufacturer states a specific torque then wheres the harm in doing it,but if you dont have a torque wrench,it's no biggie.engine building is a bit differerent,and wouldn't dream of putting a block back together without correct torque values etc.

    so in summary,if you've got one and can be arsed,use it,if not,it's no real biggie
     
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  15. SimonRR

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    I always torque, best to be on safe said, and seeing as the thread starter mentioned torque setting I guess he torque's too ;)

    Front caliper mounting bolts are 43nm in my Haynes manual
     
  16. Briggs

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    33 lb is the correct setting.
     
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    33 Lb is the correct setting
     
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    thefirebloke Elite Member

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    Actually Scoob I do have one and really can't be arsed to use it. Yes you're right I'm not an engine builder, just like tinkering, probably like most folk on here.
    As for the guy having a rant, I didn't tell anyone not to use a torque wrench, merely said I don't personally feel the need to use one...... my choice I believe!
     
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  19. Fudster

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    Sorry I do appologise ... just having a rant
     
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  20. thezipsteruk

    thezipsteruk Elite Member

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    whoa there boys I didn't mention the BMW word...no need to fight!! lol

    Do whatever makes you happy but after years of stripping nuts or struggling with studs as a youngster.
    I do tend t torque up a few of the main culprits (Brakes, axle, engine etc) sometimes I'm surprised how little or how much they state.

    However you fiddle with your nuts boys...have fun!
    Oh and you girls ....well I'm saying nothing...my wives sitting next to me lol
     
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