I need some braking help. 2018 fireblade SP. known now for its traction and abs issues. I was at Snetterton today on a road bike track day and the bike behaved itself apart from the abs in consistency. Basically what I figured out was that when I braked hard if the rear was firmly on the ground (I’m assuming , since the bike wasn’t going wriggly,) when the abs came in it pulsed strongly but the bike continued to slow predictably therefore causing no real issues. However when the back wheel went light then the brakes let off a little causing major trouser wetting moments. This different behaviour happened on any hard braking corner and only varied with how he back was feeling. So my question is what would make the bike stable in one lap and wriggly in the next, considering the same corner and speed. Soemeone I asked said maybe it depends on when I changed down. As in for example wether I went from 5th to third or from 5th to 4th, held it then went third as I let off, what would be the bike behaviour in these different scenarios? Hope it makes sense.
This is by design and expected. Honda calls it Rear Wheel Lift Mitigation. To bring the rear wheel back down the front brake is released a little. These are the emotions this oddly implemented system should induce
As above mate, please complain to Honda U.K.. we are on a mission at the moment. Did you stick to stock tyres
Yes I did stick to stock. Is there any petition or complaint template being made up? Honda are a bunch of shites anyway, my right footpeg snapped off without hitting anything, I just kind of 'kicked' it when swinging m leg back on in a tight space.- sent the pictures to Honda and they said it's my fault, must be an impact or a heavy load, so I asked them what sort of impact as they had full pics of the bike and peg and there are no marks anywhere, or what kind of load since these are designed to take the mass of the rider. I told them if they are going to say that then they should be able to be specific.---"Wasted my breath"! I just gave up and bought another.
I felt slightly different emotions staring into the marshal's eyes at Murrays while riding across the grass toward him !!!!
I can imagine - our SP2 owners group discovered the true failure of this awesome feature when a mate of mine was coming off the fastest bit of Homestead Speedway in Miami (his tuned, race body clothed, slick shod lightened SP2 is good for about 188hp to the rear wheel) and adopted his tried and true level of threshold braking going for a record lap time when he too found himself navigating the the grass and gravel headed towards the tyre barriers. It was that weekend a year back we started experimenting with various simple ways to sideline the ABS system. It is a very interfering system for fast track riders. Then again Honda covers themselves with this little disclaimer on page 13 of the Owners Manual: "ABS does not reduce braking distances. In certain circumstances, ABS may result in a longer stopping distance." And of course the coopa day grachie that pretty much kills every conversation I have ever had with Honda: "Always use the recommended front/rear tires and sprockets to ensure correct ABS operation". Honda have us coming and going unfortunately.
I thought the ABS issues what only on honda's first gen systems and the switch to bosch (?) made it the same as other manufacturer's. It is common knowledge that ABS can sometimes increase braking distance The price we have to pay for new technology and progress
The SC77 is even worse. Honda added a "nice neat cool" feature called Rear Wheel Lift Mitigation.... great idea for a minivan or goldwing in traffic. Has no effing business being implemented on Honda's supposed premiere sport-bike.
What I found works better on track is to turn the bliper off, hard downshift and slide the rear tyre, let the slipper clutch do the job while trail braking, learnt that from my supermoto days and it was more consistence in braking point with that
That’s a complete different abs issue; older blade suffer from complete lost of braking power when abs is engaged but that can be solved with regularly bleed and 17pages worth of headache
Just to take this off track (no pun intended) a little bit, in the UK Motorcycle News (MCN) a couple of recent issues promoted Honda's 2019 electronics package in a seemingly gratuitous handshake between Honda and MCN. To be truthful, I have an intense dislike for biased reporting and immediately sent off a letter to the magazine's 'Talking Point' as follows: 'Great to read of Honda's burgeoning relationship with your magazine. I refer in particular to detailed improvements of the 2019 CBR1000RR Fireblade in respect of 2019s new electronics (1 May and 19 June 2019). As a Honda devotee (and owner of 5 Fireblades plus two classic Hondas) I have followed this with interest. For my 2018 SP2, I was keen to incorporate these improvements via software upgrade or new ECU. Both dealer and Honda's technical department claim 'backwards compatibility' is not possible. Really? I subsequently found that, shamefully, Honda chooses to not liaise with its customer base, for enquiries via two emails and one hard copy letter to Honda's Bracknell (UK) head office were ignored. It is fine to promote a company and its product via media, but affording the same relationship to customers should be paramount.' Receipt of letter was acknowledged. I have no idea whether it might have been relayed to Honda, but it certainly didn't make the letters page.
So I’m not really at your level, how will disengaging the blipper be different because I’ve found it allows you to down shift quickly enough as long as you allow the lever back up? Would this stop the rear from lifting though? Not too sure I’m confident enough to slide the rear deliberately yet.
I have been non stop pestering Honda U.K. with the ongoing software issues we have all been plagued with. As have my friends with the same issues. Basically we feel that we have been miss sold these bikes. And possibly have a strong enough case to go to consumer rights. The really annoying thing is, I like the bike in every way apart from it’s electronics
