Has anyone any experience of bleeding fresh fluid through the brake lines on an ABS Blade , My friend is buying a RCS master cylinder from caprimoto so any advice , pros and cons would be great
No experience; sorry. A question though. Is your friend hoping to improve the braking performance by fitting this? I think he will only improve the function between the lever & the abs servo; any further improvement will be "dumbed down" by the abs ecu - potentially - I think......leading to either no improvement or worse performance as the ecu compensates for the percieved increase in lever travel - I think..........
Thanks guys , spoke to him this morning , he is not going to bother now with the Rcs , he would still like fresh fluid bleeding through the system , bike is coming up to 2 years old , so any adivce on bleeding the Abs brakes would be a help
Bob, Honda dealers allow 5 hours for this process on the ABS. Have a word with Bats as he has done it himself, so he could give some tips.
I don't think it's the abs aspect which takes so long; it more the components within the combined, break by wire bits. Still, I would think just changing the fluid would be straight forward so long as the method doesn't introduce air.
In order to bleed (potential) air from the brake system on a ABS CBR-1000rr after a fluid replacement, a long procedure has to be followed (takes multiple hours). E.g. the brake system has to be put in "air bleeding mode" operation and I would not advice performing this without the service manual instructions. Furthermore, it's difficult to "feel" with the brake lever if air is in the system at the ABS version.
Sounding like a dealer only procedure , got another mate with a ZZR1400ABS , he has had it 2 months , he has already run into one of the lads on an R1 , £3000,s worth of damage to R1 , £2500 worth of damage to his , went to Sherburn In Elmet this last Wednesday , run across a roundabout , snapped frame in 2 , buckled both wheels , bikes a right off ,makes me wonder if some one has tried to change brake fluid with out correct instructions !!!!!!!!
lol Number one the brembo on the abs version is amazing number 2 the bleeding is the same as norm but takes longer ie more of a system to go round!! Now if you replace the hoses or master ie introduce air then its a lot harder but still doable in a hour ish tops! if you fit a master then you can get away with just bleeding the master and a quick bleed at both calipers!! If your changing hoses it gets harder ive got pics in a thread on here some where of me doing it! basically fit hose little bit of modding then try bleed as norm if no joy grack the metal unions near radiator and under seat on pump and on power untit one at a time and blead then back to nipples take time! BUT defo not 5 hours and you dont have to put ecu into sleep mode to open spool valves etc thats all dealer MuMbo to take your dosh! anyway if your in doubt pay someone to do it but if you have done it on cars bikes with without abs just go for it!! fook me i hate typing hope that helps!!!!!! O i fitted my hose and master afer 300 miles on a 011 blade and the difference is WOW!!
You defo get better feel from another master and it works ace with the abs bikes, I am about to fit an rcs master to the new bosh powered abs 1199s in the next few weeks, RCS master with new gen bosh abs and Brembo M50's equals AWSOME brakes, shame I have no abs modulator on my GP4RXs
Yo arthur my hrc res pipe is sweating like a mofo i thought wtf lol new pipe time back to brembo black haha!!
lol It gets expencive....lol. Mines history made a nice carbon bracket for the rear mini brembo res... sorted.. oh and Brembo black hose front and rear no more wiping off fluid....I'm not bothered....much....lol
I'm still not "feelin it" with changing the MC. The c-abs braking system is a calibrated bit of kit; the lever sends a given pressure/amount of fluid to a receiving component; the ecu adds this info to the mix (comparative wheel speeds I think) & then it tells the servo how much pressure/amout of fluid to send to both the front & rear brakes to achieve the amount braking force it thinks you are asking for. All these replacement MCs' do is increase the amout of fluid being pushed direct to the calipers for a given amount of pull; that & probably improve "feel" by virtue of the fact that they are connected directly to the calipers. Is it not possible that by changing the MC, the receiving component/ecu will no longer work as engineered? I guess the system may be more intelligent than I'm giving it credit for & can still understand exactly what the rider is asking for. I may be wrong trying to connect applied braking force with a given amount of lever pull; I guess the rider just pulls the lever less for the same effect. Ramble ramble ramble........hahhaa.
Right all i will say is the brembo master on my 011 abs has made the brakes amazing! The combined braking yeas i see what you me But at the end of the day the brakes or just like normal brake ie non abs You decide on the pressure by sqeezing the lever only when the abs sensor sends a signal to the abs ecu that there is a lock will the modulator and pump kick in and release pressure until the lock stop then back to rider input! MASTER CYL on a blade is poop always has been haha!!
Nah, don't believe you You need to prove it with a "technical" explanation; then I might (just might), stop moaning & groaning & buy one myself
