Was at Donny at weekend and noticed a lot of riders using a fuel called panta I think ,it was 98ron but obviously high octane,what advantage is it using this and can you notice the difference between normal fuel or is it a advantage as the fuel burns quicker ,
Not sure if you'll find a big difference performance wise, but I find running 97 onwards Ron smooths the running of the bike. In my car if I use anything less than 97 Ron it really does suffer badly. To the point that you think it's going to cough and die lol
Depends on many things and there is a lot of people who will come up with lots of info that is often pub talk. I don't know a great deal but have found using Higher octane fuel in the blade gives me more Miles per tank. I know i'm not alone in this. Not noticed any power difference as it would be marginal. My GT86 should run on Super which I use, but will run on Regular. The downside I have heard of using regular is less MPG and power. AS i've not used this I don't know personally. No point it putting Super in my kit car as it's been set up for regular. I think if you bike has been set up for Super then best to run that but most bikes are happy with Regular unleaded. I also know a little about Knock sensor but unsure if this is on bikes as well as cars
i prefer more octane on fast cars and bikes purely sounds better gives more low rpm power and sounds a lot better on my civic 2.2 diesel as well as engine sounds better also i get better acceleration and mpg for fireblade defiantly engine is smoother i started using 97 octane years ago and believe engine stays cleaner as well as oil longer than 95 octane. on my commuter bike honda deauville i get 185 miles from 95 octane and easy 195 -200 from 97 octane for 17ltrs
I try to use Shell V-Power Nitro in the blade where I can as i can genuinely get better MPG against other fuels. Apart from being cleaner/kinder to the engine I don't notice any other benefits of using higher octane fuel.
I am sure that one of the clever tech people on here said that the new bikes are meant to run on the standard crap fuel you get off the forecourt,as the v power stuff burns really hot and fast and may damage valve stems etc,having said that my 12 plate does a lot more mpg when I run on it.help
I just use standard petrol, but then my car is 2003 and my bike is 2007. Both do 40mpg if I don't rag 'em hard. Personally I wouldn't bother unless the ECU can detect and use the higher rating.
I concur! Some of it may be in my head, the bike feels smoother and I am definitely getting more MPG!
ecu is another thing when i mapped my golf gti guy told me to use v-nitro shell all the time as he programmed this way and with that fuel and air box car was pushing out 201 bhp on 97 octane 95 octane was making me loose 3 -4 bhp there is a guy on youtube he was talking about the higher the compression inside the cylinder is the better it is to use higher octane
Fuel octane these day is confusing. Because according to fuel suppliers, the high octane petrol also contains additives to clean the fuel system, improve fuel efficiency, etc, etc, etc... So putting 95 then 97 in an engine, then claiming the changes are due to the octane rating can be misleading. To have a meaningful finding you need to take out non related variable such as fuel additives and engine condition. Modern engines have know sensors which as far as I am aware can adjust the engine timing by retarding it only in case of detonation. The ignition timing is set to a default value and then retarded by the ECU if needed. It doesn't advance the timing past the default value. To get more power by increasing the octane rating, you'd need to increase the CR and advance the timing. If your engine is designed and set up to run on 95, then you will not get a power increase (without going down the tuning avenue). If you switch to high octane fuel and feel you get more power or better fuel consumption or smoother engine, this can mean that there is something not right about your engine condition assuming the fuel additive is not the cause. For example your engine timing is incorrectly set (too much advance) or there is a lot of combustion deposit in the chamber, you are likely to experience pre-ignition or pinking giving you the feeling of the engine vibration or roughness. You change to a high octane, hey presto, your engine is smooth again! I must say I go 50/50 between regular and super in my RR8. My excuse is the additives it contains are good for the engine.-- What is your?
I have noticed my bike runs allot smoother and faster with higher ron fuel...found BP fuel to be the best as it also increased the mileage I got to a tank..
Went out last night after work for a blast to Weston and one on the way home filled it with Shell Super so the tanks full before my TD next week. No other reason then to try something different.
I have always been a real sceptic about the 'Fancy Fuels' but have used them occasionally in the Blade in the hope of being nice to the bike..... I know, it sounds pillockish. Anyway after reading this thread and having to go to Leicester tomorrow (200mile) I thought I'd give the car a treat. Vpower Diesel. 2003VW Passat. Normaly if I accelerate hard I get some black smoke.... Vpower, smokes gone! I'm surprised to say the least. Mike.
Not relating to high grade fuel, but ive been using Tesco diesel in my BMW form ages and just accepted the fact that it chucks clouds of black smoke out when booting it, but recently changed to Esso fuel and now it doesn't smoke at all. The mrs diesel doesn't seem to mind Tesco fuel though???
My understanding of this is higher ron fuels are needed only if you have aggressive ignition timings to avoid pre-detonation. There is no more "power" in these fuels. If you have a high performance engine with ignition advance then you should use higher ron fuels, if not it's kind of a waste of money.
