Well I knew id cave in eventually but tonight while the missus has gone out for a drink and im left with the pc and a crate of stella (im only just starting the third!) I went and had a look at caprimoto and couldnt resist!! My brembo pads, hel lines and dot 5.1 are as good brakes as i think anyone could wish for BUT @ £80/90 and to last only 5 track days with no road use is a bit dear for me!!! I've only just put em in!!! So a set of cheapy race compound pads from my mate and i will report my findings in due course.. 259 euros to your door means about £205 so its only 2.5 sets of pads anyway lol,,, happy days ;0)