New caliper bolts every time?

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  1. Coda

    Coda Active Member

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    I’m about to change the brake pads for some SBS race sintered, and I just thought I’d check the service manual for torque settings.

    It says to chuck the old caliper bolts away and replace with new ones. I’ve never done this. Has anyone else? Is it necessary?
     
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    I’ve read that too, many years ago and ignored it ever since. I have come to no harm so far, but who knows what tomorrow brings. I can’t tell you to do the same as me, you have to think it over and decide what to do for yourself, like so many things in life…
     
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    Ritchierich Well-Known Member

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    Get some ProBolt titanium ones and medium locktite, reuse as many times as you want and half the price of Honda bolts.
     
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  4. Coda

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    Does anyone know the length of the standard bolts? I’m not infront of the bike atm so can’t take one out to have a look.
     
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    Pretty sure I’ve got 4 spare unused from my old Blade, Pro Bolt Titanium, These were 10mm to short to fit the new 2022 SP but obviously Ohlins forks and Brembo Calipers setup. M10 1.25 pitch and 45mm length. If it’s any help I can do them for £22 posted and can get them out tomorrow….

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    Or for a extra £8 I will chuck in this Titanium gears lever mount! Beautifully made and literally 1/4 of the weight of the OE unit.. fits all older models but unfortunately not the new one:D
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  7. Coda

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    Thanks. I’ll pull a bolt when I get home, measure it and get back to you.
     
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    No worries, I’d also consider the SBS dual Sintered street performance excel pads for fast road riding and the odd few track days. Only saying as the race compound pads definitely require more generated heat and can be very grabby under the wrong circumstances. Way to many people make this mistake. I’ve used the street performance pads for really spirited road riding plus some fast track days with zero issues. If your doing like every other weekend on track then something more suited like the the race compound will be more suited. Brembo Z04’s or some of the SBS DS pads are truly epic under hard track conditions.
     
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  9. Coda

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    Thanks for the advice. I did bring this up in another thread and did some research, so I’ve ordered some SBS RST pads for trackdays. If they are not good on the road at cooler temps I’ll put the oem pads back in for road use though I’m not really enjoying the blade on the road anyway. (It doesn’t become interesting until about 7000 rpm then I’m already blowing speed limits).
    I’m gonna take a test ride maybe this week or next on both a V2 pani and an S1000RR. Not saying they’re better for my use case but I think it’ll help me gain some perspective.
     
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    Mystery solved. 62mm.
     
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    Definitely way off, actually thinking back I was running the Brembo GP4 RX’s on mine, so guessing it must have been for that setup. Even longer than the new SP at 55mm! Shop around to get a good deal.
     
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  12. Coda

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    Future reference, the CBR600RR bolts are also 55mm, £25: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331940577683
    CBR1000RR 09-and up, 60mm - also £25 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331537841915

    Edit: Ordered. Now I need some lockwire and a tool :p
     
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    I just picked my bike up from service yesterday. They fitted four new bolts, as they had the calipers off for cleaning.

    Checked my invoice, they also fitted four new bolts last year.

    But as a main dealer, they have a responsibility for safety.

    Titanium bolts is a good shout actually :)
     
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  14. Dave dunlop

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    OE items known as stretch bolts, like most manufacturers with braking and bolts that are under considerable load and have relatively high torque values. In all fairness I’ve seen bolts used over and over again for many years without issues. I personally think it’s another money making spin! But hey you can’t put any amount of value on riders safety :) long term Titanium is definitely the right option
     
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    Brakes are arguably more important than the engine, unless you are an R1 rider :p:D
     
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    They say replace because of the thread lock
    Just buy some loctite and all should be fine
    I even pulled the threads on a ali caliper and put heli coils in and thread lock and never had a problem for years.
    And the torques for them are not high at all
     
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  17. Coda

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    I put that other bolt back in with a dab of Sealy threadlock, and torqued it up to 33 ft/lbs. I went out on the bike for 10 mins and look, I’m not dead. :D
     
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    I’ve never used any threadlock and am still on original bolts after 13 years and 46,000 miles.
    Maybe I’m exceptionally lucky!
     
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    I questioned this years ago and to my surprise many people either were not aware of it or re-used the old ones!
    I ended up getting titanium from probolt and will reuse them.
    I believe the OEM bolt are strech bolts hence the advise to change them.
    Do not forget to put use a dab of loctite
     
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  20. Coda

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    That explains why the bolt I measured was almost 62mm when they are specified as 60mm when new.
    Titanium bolts are on their way, Royal Mail strike notwithstanding!
     

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