2017 honda

Discussion in 'General 1000RR Discussion' started by graemewalker, Jun 22, 2016.

  1. travellingkiwi

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    Yeah, but if Honda went to the wall I wouldn't shed many tears... Not after C-ABS
     
  2. travellingkiwi

    travellingkiwi Active Member

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    After brexit you won't be able to afford one :)
     
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    What a clown. He tries to accelerate with no weight on the back wheel. No wonder the bike spat him off. Idiot.
     
  6. tuktuk

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    Traction turned off i wonder?
     
  7. Mattie660

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    I was thinking that it was the fault of the traction control

    He accelerates while not upright on cold tyres - slides - enter traction control - grips - sends him off at an angle - slips - enter traction control - grip.....

    On cold tyres, with no traction control it may have just carried on sliding the first time ?
    - it may have been the Traction Control that got him his grip back, only to send him off at an angle.

    Personally I think it was caused by Traction Control.
     
  8. Blix

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    Is the bike warmed up properly?
    Back in the early days of fuel injection if the bike was still "on choke", if the back wheel went light the revs picked up as the system thought you were ticking over, much more advanced now but I still think this was more rider error.
     
  9. Mattie660

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    Just had another look at this, and in particular notice the article itself says something about it.

    I cannot speak German but looking at this seems to be about traction control- so Googled the whole paragraph:
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    "3. Die Traktionskontrolle der Fireblade SP........." ​

    "3. The traction control of the Fireblade SP was switched on. Because the cold and new tire - especially in an oblique position - quickly got into high slippage due to the short gas flow and the wheels built up only low stabilizing centrifugal moments due to the slow speed, the motorcycle was very quickly in a heillously unstable condition. Too fast for a traction control that engages the throttle valve control. It was highly probable that only a traction control with direct access to the rear wheel brake could have solved the problem. Such a system is only used in automobiles (ESP).
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    It seems they are saying that the Traction Control was not up to the job of preventing the incident ?
    It seems to me that this makes the assumption that the Traction Control remained passive, and that it did not make things actually worse ?

    Anyway, I do not want to end up in arguments about traction control :D

    Sun's out, time to go.:cool:
     
  10. sp1n99

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    Looks like a " PlayStation generation " crash. Relying too much on electronics rather than personal ability.
     
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  11. BlackDevil

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    I speak German.
    Your translation is right!
    Also, they mentioned that the Tyre was cold and not heated up like it's supposed to be.
    The rider wasn't aware of the situation.
     
  12. ColinBR

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    Rider error that 1. What was he actually trying to do?
     
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  13. BlackDevil

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    The rider was a professional racer and didn't think about it, as simple as it sounds.
    A kind of embarrassment isn't it.....
     
  14. CharlieR85

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    Managing the limitations of a traction control system and cold tyres is part of riding the bike. Rider error.
     
  15. Mattie660

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    Something not right there.

    You are riding along doing a little bit of tyre warming weaving - next minute the engine is revving highly and you are being thrown around like a rag doll :eek:
     
  16. sp1n99

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    Doesn't the new blade have torque control rather than traction control?
     
  17. tuktuk

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    Yeah thats right, by the looks of it there are 9 levels plus the option to turn it off.

    Passed a guy on one on the road today, first one ive seen outside a showroom.
     
  18. Mattie660

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    I think that is Honda's name for it.

    Looking at March edition of fast bikes magazine, they use the term Torque Control preventing slides and end with the comment that - "the traction control very much works."

    In the same magazine they describe how the five-axis Inertial Measurement Unit (IMU) is at the heart of the Blade's technical features.

    With all that went on in that video clip - I cannot think that the IMU just sat that one out :D
     
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  19. Jimbo Vills

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    100% Hondas fault that crash. Should never have let that plonker anywhere near that bike :eek:

    What on earth was he doing / thinking!! :mad:
     
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  20. Kevin1

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    Looks to me like honda have a new C-ABS in the making. Oh nooooo
     
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