Bought this bad boy

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  1. hump333

    hump333 Member

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    Yes mate been for quick ride. The engine sound awesome and she fires up first time so no lazy starter motor
     
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    good one mate had a little play on mine well happy
     
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    mine never failed to start. first time everytime.
    one thing I will say is clean inside that front spindle as it looks
    a tad rusty, then you can use some metal clear coat or some
    acf50. I got mine anodised and then fitted some front crash
    mushrooms to keep the crud out.
     
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  4. hump333

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    Added these phantom [​IMG]
     
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    Went for blast before after fitting this [​IMG]was out nice whether here in e port. Then my clutch started being funny.

    Got home bleed it . More the took the cover off an found this. [​IMG]

    I have 10 steels an 12 friction plates. I think there is too many in it...?
     
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    Install the clutch plates (9) in the following order:
    - one friction plate (H) with 48 square tangs;
    - a series of three plain plates (I) thickness 1.6 mm, alternated with three friction plates (L) with 40 rectangular
    tangs;
    - a series of four plain plates (M) thickness 2 mm, alternated with four friction plates (L) with 40 rectangular tangs;
    - a series of two plain plates (I) thickness 1.6 mm, alternated with two friction plates (L) with 40 rectangular tangs;
    - one plain plate (I), 1.6 mm thick;
    - one friction plate (N) with 48 rectangular tangs.
     
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  7. hump333

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    I'm gonna take it apart again tomorrow an make sure its right. I'm guessing someone put more plates in than need.
     
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    IF someone has added a plate you have to wonder why, I'd guess that it had a wet slipper and someone has put it back and muddled up the order or mixed up some other plates, IF you run a sigma for example the only thing you'd change is the anti chatter rings go against a steel and not the sigma hub, so god knows where it's gained a plate from?

    It's a common mistake on slippers that people place a steel at the back and when the pack opens the plate drops down between the hub, nothing to do with this but the kind of errors you find.
     
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    At the back its got friction then aint chatter then steel then friction. Seen strange Arthur ?
     
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    I know on the R6's they can add an extra steel plate, but never 1 friction plateā€¦. wonder why wome did that? do you have history on the bike or know the old owner, get in touch otherwise ;)
     
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    arthurbikemad A very helpful Gent

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    Correct if the anti chatter ring sits inside of the narrow friction, then a steel, then tbh the rest of the pack will work in any order so friction steel friction steel until correct number of plates used.
     
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    Yes the bike been serviced at P&H motorcycle in Gatwick. I gonna call them in the morning.
     
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    arthurbikemad A very helpful Gent

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    Well considering the great Mike Edwards rode the 848 challenge bike sponsored by them they should indeed know the score. My money would be on the bikes had a slipper fitted and removed at some point...at a guess...be interesting to know.
     
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    Arthur if I added Oberon the little rod extension that come in the kit. Would this push the plate out at the end? Give it too much leaver?
    Oberon clutch slave
     
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    Yes, if you fitted the Oberon slave with the push rod extension that's the answer! The extension is for older Ducati as far as I know.
    The extra rod length would cause a problem mate. However the 848 and Evo clutch is the same and the diagram I posted is from the official Ducati 848 service manual I do have a clutch in a box so could double check it's correct but don't think any need tbh, just odd you have a different pack. But YES the over travel of the clutch would cause your problem 100%.

    I should have seen the Oberon slave and guessed! I'm slacking!
     
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    I'm f@@king dick head should of read the instructions.. I gonna try tap it out. Nightmare. Would this f@@k up the working of the clutch?[​IMG]

    The clutch only had 1 chatter ring! Do I need 2? ? The diagram shows 2, my blade had 2.
     
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    Started it before selected first gear, let clutch leaver out and it's cut out..

    Put it in gear pushed forward with clutch in an it rolls forward.
     
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    Normally has one concave spring like ring and one flat thin washer type ring so yes two, I think you will be fine mate, don't beat your self up over it easy mistake and think you have been lucky as the clutch has stayed open so lost drive before anything could really go wrong, now you know sort the pack order out and jobs a good one, P&H should be able to confirm my diagram or if you wish or call W M Snells and ask for Alan or Paul in the workshop they may also have time to check the order of the diagrams, or just ask and I will have a look at my old one as I converted mine to dry, saying that I am 99% sure the diag I posted is correct.

    I still think the pack has been fitted or mixed up, also if too many friction plates that will be why the plate escaped the pack as I'm sure if the rod was to long it should just lock up towards the end of the clutch lever travel, rather than open the pack and a plate slip out like yours has done.
     
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    I go with your first author only take 30mins on & off not big job. Got the slave off an push rod extension out. So my head clear for tomorrow morning. If I get stuck I'll drop you pm. But you given me plenty of advice. Thanks a lot. New bike new rules new leaning. Taking a lot on board.

    The clutch did feel super light thanks to the Oberon slave ;-)
     
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    No problem mate, anytime your welcome, I have to do the learning curve every time someone brings in a new bike, new bike, new manual, every days a learning day :)

    Cheers.
     
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