ECU Remap or "Flash" does anyone know anything about it?

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  1. ChrisOzzz

    ChrisOzzz Active Member

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    yea that sounds awsome. I wouldn't stand in front of it..

    I guess seeing the blade do the same is going to bring tears to my eyes!
     
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    the bikes i mentioned had no elektrikity gizmo's going on.it's (apparently)easy to fool the ECU,the glpro Tre just has a resistor in it and this is what fools the ECU.

    dont really here much about them now though tbh.(the tre's not the glpro's)
     
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    arthurbikemad A very helpful Gent

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    Derrick, no mate the sensor is a wideband air and fuel sensor it's the same sensor they use on most dynos to detect the AFR in order to correct the fueling tbh it's just as accurate as the dyno it self.

    I don't know of any speed limiters in the Honda ECU, it's not like the Busa etc.
     
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    yeah I heard that the speedo only stops at 186 on the blade
    but the speed doesnt but was never sure if this was true or not.
    made me also wonder about that girl on the stock blade doing 200mph
    mind you stock in landspeed allows an ecu add-on
     
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    arthurbikemad A very helpful Gent

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    I think she ran a total stock bike mate from what I read, only mods in her class were small changes to aerodynamics with tape, but then how often has anyone run a blade flat out for such a long run on the flat with little wind?
     
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    Phantom iv had my 954 at 299klms but it kept pulling just the speedo stopped, it had gearing changed and pc3
     
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    I was reading up on it, she had a race style piggy back ecu control.
    they said stock it standard fairings,mudguards,tank,shocks,bore size etc
    but the piggy back ecu and sprockets could be changed.
     
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    arthurbikemad A very helpful Gent

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    Trying to find it now but I was sure no ECU mods were permitted, I trust you mate just thought it was clear production has to be how it was sold and a certain number too, like FIM rules.

    The fastest liter bike in world isn
    Rules
     
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    yeah cant find it now but there is an article on the interweb
    about the control box, was something like a bazazz unit that
    went piggyback on the ecu.they had to keep all standard wires
    frame/bore and ecu but the mapping control unit is allowed
    as it removes the factory restriction that some bikes have or
    they would never get above the gentleman's agreement speed.
    I'll see if I can find it when I get home from work,can even picture
    it, it was sliver and light blue with what looked like a multipin pc plug
    on it. was it something like litech ????
     
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    arthurbikemad A very helpful Gent

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    See if you can mate, I've just looked trough a good few more pages and they all state stock, no ECU mods! Can't see how it can be "production bike" if it's modded?


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    Ok ok, I know what it was, the US bikes are limited so she was allowed by FIM rules to use the Bazzaz Z bomb, sure that's the score, and hence the Bazzaz sponsor on the bike she ran.

    But afaik No ECU or fueling mods are permitted.


    strange how the US limit superbikes but freely sell m16 etc....lol
     
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    so was hunting and there was a guy on another blade site that held the previous production
    land speed with Jeannie Pflum at the controls.the question was put to him what is production in bonneville
    when building a bike.his response was
    We got lucky this past weekend and were able to set 2 records at the El Mirage dry lake.

    The 1000cc Production class bike, ridden by Jeannie Pflum, bumped the 190.1mph record to 193.2mph.
    For the SCTA (Southern California Timing Association) the rules for the Production class are pretty much it has to look like a showroom stock bike from about 4 ft away. It can be repainted, but the overall look has to be OE.

    The engine mods are pretty much open. The displacement has to remain stock and be appropriate for the class, i.e. 1000cc or less. The exhaust has to look stock, any mods have to be out of view, and the outlet of the muffler has to remain the same size also. The airbox has to remain unmodified as does the throttle bodies.

    Here are some of the engine mods;

    15:1 compression ratio
    HRC pistons
    Head has been worked over pretty good
    HRC valves
    HRC cams
    Pankel rods
    Polished and balanced crank
    Cycle Logic lock up clutch
    HRC oil pan

    That's about it for engine stuff. The muffler has been gutted and welded back together, that's why it sounds so funky in the videos.

    A Dunlop D211 200/55 tire with 16/43 gearing.


    Q..I've heard you lose several mph on surfaces such as dry lake beds, salt flats, etc. I wonder how fast it could go on a paved road?
    Anyway, good going. No aftermarket fuel management system? Interesting.


    I would expect to get a couple more mph on pavement or concrete just due to less potential for wheel spin, but at high speeds you start fighting aero loading, so I don't know that it would be much faster than the salt or dirt.
    Then there is the question about power due to the air quality at 4-6000ft. On the record run the air density was around 5500 ft. If we could get better air, the power would come up, but then the air density is higher, so would the aero loading increase and remove the more power advantage? All unknown to me at this point.
    I do have a non-stock engine management system. It is an EFI Technology X3 ECU. It is a system I have worked with for several years.

    Q...At first i was going to say how did you do 193 on a production class bike but after reading further i understand.


    Yea, the Production part is a little misleading. Other than a few restrictions, it's all about the external appearance. You can do pretty much anything with the engine, but I have to run the mud guard (thing the license plate bolts to). The mirrors and signal lights can be removed and the handle bars can be changed, but otherwise has to be stock bodywork.


    still cant find that other article yet :s
     
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    Yeah very misleading production lol
    I knew some road racers used quick shifters in
    The production class but I wonder can they do the
    Whole hrc internals trick too ?
     
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    Not that I know of, however nothing stopping teams matching OEM parts rather than just taking what rolls of the production line (says loosely).. Ive know of people "polishing" internals!
     
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    yeah the old black art of polishing and porting (within race tolerance of course)
    mind you I have seen some results being quashed due to too much being removed/polished.
    happened a few lads last year at the nw200.
     
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    Park ferme pretty hot now, they can pull the whole motor apart if they wish! and often do much to the up set of the teams...lol
     
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    yeah see the line of engines being stripped after every race
     
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    arthurbikemad A very helpful Gent

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    I got thrown out of park ferme once for taking the piss out if KTM mechanics, seems they can pull there motors apart but can't put them back together....lol funny watching hot oil pour over one of them after 30 laps of brands when he removed a clutch cover, you'd think he'd know better.....lol anyway had to sweet talk the techs to let me back in to continue our inspection.....lol
     
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