Yes I know it's been asked before - Corners

And if I was racing and someone done it "to make themselves wider" I'd ride straight through their leg... Fcuk em!

 

Not sideways weight transfer which I agree make no odds... but rearward weight transfer which would be handy if true

 

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the no BS bike shows that weighting the bars (or pegs) has very little effect on steering
however weight the outside peg improve handling..

weighting the pegs (particularly the outside peg) effects stability when leaned over, by putting your body weight closer to the centre of gravity of the bike
a good handling bike is a stable bike .. a poor handling bike is unstable by definition .. does increased stability sound like improved handling ?

try it ...? try weighting the outside peg in a bend when cranked over... then take the same bend without your feet on the pegs j/k ....
(the benefit of having no feet on the pegs is that when you hit the deck you can start running )

also by weighting the outside peg it becomes a pivot point from which you steer, this reduces the effort required to steer, mostly like increasing your steering rate as it requires less effort ... quicker turn in ? sound like improved handling ?

( see TOTW II Chapter 19 - Steering - Sub section Steering Advantages - think the link was posted earlier)

i normally fall off when i'm not thinking about the above ..lol
only think about a single aspect to improve at a time (rolling on the throttle for example for period of time)
once it has become 2nd nature
move on the next item you believe will improve your riding the most (single steering input maybe) ... when this becomes 2nd nature ... etc....etc..etc

 

Maybe try going on 1st nature?

But considering all of the above in the last post! You must be fast, and wear gleaming white boots!

 

1st nature ...... we all do that for many years after passing our test (maybe have a couple of offs along the way)... think its referred to as the 'trial and error' method ?
then decide to try to improve our riding through education ... (which becomes a combination of 'trial and error' and 'education' ('think in through' method)

i'm not a quick rider by any standard of the imagination.. but do try to understand machine requirements and improve my riding through a combination of TIT and T&E ... (got to love a bit of TIT)

i wish i was quick enough to purchase white boots (and the cleaning products to make them gleaming)..
got any tips on making your white boots gleaming jimbo ?

the best piece of advice i ever received is :

don't take riding advice from anyone (especially internet forums)...
( it could all be complete sh~t )

 

I don't have White boots mate, I'm not good looking enough

I honestly admire your desire and commitment to improve, and sorry for pulling your chain, you might not think it but i do take my riding seriously and happen to be ok at it IMO, I just believe that the only way to get better at it is by doing it more and not over thinking it all.

Out brains are amazing things and will be working out how to ride the bike better whilst you enjoy the scenery, the ride and the bacon butty

 

bacon butty ... mmmmm .. the real reason we all ride
i'm an ugly bugger too... hence i'm only allowed out with a dark visor ... or a clear visor at night when no one can see me

kpone, white boots are for moon landings ... i don't qualify

 

Ride within your limits.... if you push them on the road, you WILL become a cropper at some point. I never ride above my limits, and take corners using most of the road i can, which leaves some margin for error incase i go wide, which does happen sometimes, but if i do, i'm still on my side of the road.
The ONLY way to improve in the corners, is do it yourself, not read forums or take advice, as that's very variable.

 

well touch wood I have had no serious off's but I would ride very spirited since the day I first threw my leg over a bike
and I have never thought about how to corner.its just came naturally.but when I throw a bike into the corner my weight
is on the inside peg as the left leg is hooked round the seat holding me up.definitly dont want to lift my outside foot off
mind corner as that would be asking for trouble,especially if my knee slider was to clip a rut or catseye.
one thing you have to remember about these books is they are a persons opinions, read simon crafars book and some
of his ideas on cornering are totally different from kieth codes but I for one wouldnt be telling him he doesnt know what
he is talking about.Im a firm believer in do what works for you.Maybe I will try pushing the outside peg to see how much
faster I will get round a corner but I doubt it will make me any faster.

 

Its my understanding that "weighting" outside peg aids counter steering. I know this works. It took me a while to get how this is done, afterall we are actually putting our weight to the inside (away from the outside peg). The secret is thus - just tense up the outside thigh; this causes the leg to push down on the outside peg & gives a firm platform to counter steer against.

I think a well shaped tank really helps with cornering & I have always felt the newer Blades tank isn't quite right. Look at race bikes, they all switch to the Tenkate cover.

 

Not correct. they still do it when no-one is behind them.
Correct that it doesn't help cornering though.
It's main purpose is to help stop the rear from coming round under hard braking.
IMHO of course

 

Yep, thats what I was getting at in my posts above.

The theory (as explained in the MotoGP commentary) is that when the leg is stuck out, the lower abdomen muscles suddenly have to support several kilos of dangling leg+boot... and all that blood going to the lower abdomen (which is pretty much the rear-most part of a rider's body) means there is a net rearwards weight transfer.

To me it sounds a tad far-fetched, and a lot of effort for a level of gain that seems negligible, but then, I'm not a racer...... I do find it very interesting though.

 

Well maybe I'm wrong but in my motocross days
We stuck our legs out to help control the back end
Slide not to stop the back end from sliding.
I still can't think how sitting forward with your leg
Out helps the rear grip.surely sitting both feet on
The pegs and towards the back of the seat would
Add more weight to the rear.does that mean Harleys
Have tons of rear grip , look how far forward there legs
Are lol

 

IMO, they are moving their weight around - that's the important part.
IMO again, MX legs have to go in that position cos there's no choice, not to increase grip. and you can dab rather than low side

 

yeah, worse if you catch ur leg in a rut...not nice.
just doubted the method when all the data was saying
there was no change in braking or weight distribution
on the bike.last time I heard about it on eurosport one
person commented on what effect the 12kg average
leg would have over a 200kg bike with its 70kg rider
when shifted a few inches forward.I understand it can make
them feel more natural braking hard but find it hard to believe
it adds more braking force and rear weight what the data says otherwise.
just another one of them mysteries lol
next question.....why does rossi do a prayer thing holding on to the footpeg at the
start of a race

 

Topic changed with sledgehammer-like subtlety... well done that man!